According to you (this question-Not for atheists), what is more important, religion&spirituality or science?

You pulled a switcheroo! You asked "Why do you think you can use science to judge religion?" Then you said "atheists say "Oh, there's no scientific proof of God, so he doesn't exist"."

Science can't say anything about the existence or non-existence of ***A*** god. However, science can say something about certain tenets of religion that encroach upon science. And that is what we do in judging those tenets of religion.

But even there, those tenets say something about the existence of the particular god of the Bible. Here's an example. According to Ecclesiastes 1:5 the sun actually goes around the earth--as, of course, it must, since, according to Ps 93:1, Ps 96:10, and 1 Chr 16:30, the earth does not move.

And the earth cannot move because, according to 1 Samuel 2:8 and Ps 75:3, it is placed on pillars. And because it is placed on pillars, it has an underside and an upper side, as confirmed by Isaiah 40:22 which indicates that the earth is a flat disk. (The Hebrew word translated as "circle" in Isaiah 40:22 is chuwg, which means "circle" not "sphere."

Strong's Concordance: "circle"..."describe a circle." Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament: "Circle...the earth conceived as a disc, Is 40:22." Hebrew-Aramaic and English Lexicon of the Old Testament: "draw round, make a circle."

If a sphere were meant, the Hebrew word duwr would have been used.) Since the biblical earth is flat, it has an underside and under the earth is the abyss, which is referred to several times in the Bible. That is also what is being referred to in Job 26:7 when it says that the earth hangs over nothing. (The original Hebrew word translated as "upon" in that passage in the KJV also means "over.") The actual sphere of the earth in space is not "suspended' or "hanging" "over" or "upon" nothing.

It is orbiting the sun at 66,700 miles per hour. There are several other verses in the Bible indicating the earth is flat, such as Nebuchadnezzar's vision in Dan 4:10-11 (if it were not flat the tree could not be seen from all the earth), and Dan 2:28 states that the visions of Nebuchadnezzar are from God. If the biblical god says the biblical earth is flat, it must be flat.

The original Hebrew word translated as firmament is raqiya, which is a noun derived from the Hebrew word raqa. That word is a verb meaning "to beat out," and is used in the bible in reference to beating out metal into plates or expanses of the metal (as in Exodus 39:3). So raqiya, as a noun, would literally mean "that which is beaten out."

The idea is that the firmament, or sky, is a solid, beaten out expanse or vault set on the rim of the flat disk of the earth. This understanding is confirmed in Job 37:18, which states: "Can you beat out the vault of the skies as he does hard as a mirror of cast metal?" (New English Bible. .) That idea is also implied in verses such as Deut 4:32.

Science is merely the body of knowledge which we have accumulated about the nature of the universe. Science is not and cannot be used to determine the existence of God, since God is by definition supernatural and is therefore outside the boundaries of the subject of investigation. If a belief in some God brings you greater joy, or fulfillment, or deeper meaning in your life or peace, I am genuinely happy for you.

I simply have not encountered any evidence to support the claims made by those who believe in a God, that a God exists and therefore I do not see any reason to believe as you do. Belief is by definition the acceptance of an assertion without evidence. I do not believe because I base my life on knowledge instead of belief.

I do not need to have happiness or sadness proved because I can and do accept my own experience as evidence of something so trivial. On the other hand if you are going to ask me to make life or death decisions on the basis of a claim, for which there is no supporting evidence then I am going to need a bit more than just a feeling. The problem is not whether or not it is enough for you to believe.

The problem is that I have never been a believer in your God (or any other) and people who want me to convert to their faith do not have any convincing evidence that they are not just making this stuff up. Without evidence, to me this sounds like wishful thinking and I cannot make decisions about how i'm going to live my life based on unproven assertions.

I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.