Even though God could read your every thought, wouldn't He be invading your privacy to do so?

Our thoughts are like a radio message to him...a frequency. Why would you want to keep something private from God. Cain tried to...God knew what he did.

If you think positive/loving...stay connected with God...life is better. Without God we miss his help/hope.

Thanks Shasha for your thoughts on our thoughts. Wouldn't wish to keep anything from God, but does He not have rules that even He elects to follow? , such as giving his creations some privacy in case we don't want to be thinking that He is WATCHING us constantly?

The important thing is, with or without God, CAIN KNEW what he did. While Cain was raising cane, Abel was able to do constructive things and so Cain wasn't able to handle Abel's natural superiority. S envy got the best of him.

Also, just the opposite could be truthfully said, that to stay dependent on God, expecting his help, is to weaken us. God wants us to be strong, developed, self-sufficient and mature... not like children who area wholly dependent on their parents. Adeptwand 2 days ago .

Just remember...God gives us our free will. I like that He knows everything. It's nice not to feel you have to hide.

And He loves you no matter what! .

Thanks. My original intention was to pose a moral dilemma for God to see how others might reason so as to get around it. Similar to the other seeming contradiction, Can God create a rock bigger than he can lift?

Adeptwand 2 days ago .

No..God cannot create a rock bigger than He can lift. Ha! .

Then there is SOMETHING however small that God cannot do! He is not 100% omnipotent! Adeptwand 1 day ago .

That's an interesting question, because the same question can be presented to those suffering from dissociative identity disorder, and it would have the same answer. The extent of your god's knowledge is limited to your own thoughts, just as a person's alternate personalities cannot reach outside the bounds of the mind that personality was fabricated in. Just because you refer to your alternate imaginary personality as god, does not mean it gives you super powers to read other people's minds.It's your choice whether or not you want to think of your imaginary, alternate personality as invading your privacy.

The majority of people that share similar imaginary personalities seem to be okay with it as well, likely they've come to the same conclusion; that it's not invasion of privacy because it's within your own mind.

Good points! I was merely trying to pose a moral dilemma for God to see how others might reason their way around it. And of course God is not an alternate personality.

Adeptwand 2 days ago .

" He is not a separate entity with white beard and long robe sitting up there somewhere on a cloud apart from Not at all. God the Father is a personalized name for the Universal Presence, or Cosmic Consciousness in which all exists, both known and unknown. GOD IS: Omnipresent = present everywhere, there is nowhere where He is not.

Why seek or there when He is everywhere! Omniscient = all-Knowledge, Wisdom and Love. Omnipotent = all-Power, and is the Source of everything.

Now, we are told that God (the Universal Divine Consciousness) created man in therefore we also have this same consciousness within the centre of our being. They are one and the same and only differ in degree of manifestation."Behold the Kingdom of God is within you. " Luke 17As you can see, it is this consciousness that is individualized in us which is "Spirit" and is guiding our thoughts and actions.

"We live and move and have our being in " (Spirit)I have heard many times that when we leave this world we are not judged by any outside god but it is our own higher Self which determines what lessons we've learned and what else we must do to attain our spiritual awakening. --------- .

Thanks for the time and effort you put into your writing. For the most part I agree with everything you have said! But perhaps it was I who was not entirely clear about what I meant.

You see, I was posing a Moral Dilemma for God. Similar to the famous dilemma, Can God Create a rock bigger than he can lift? If he cannot, then he is not omnipotent.

If he can, then there is some-thing in the universe God cannot do, which also means he is not omnipotent. Such contradictions exist because of language only. Of course, with God there are no contradictions.

ALL IS ONE. Adeptwand 2 days ago .

The error is in measuring by OUR standards, of time and space, the limitations of a physical realm; whereas, when you raise your consciousness to a higher frequency you enter into a universal consciousness where there is no such limitations. Before posing any questions one needs to understand the terms being used: What is God? Who am I?

Your inherent assumption is that to be human is to be flawed, and that "OUR standards" are limited and incapable of ascertaining the truth. Universal consciousness may be vastly more encompassing than regular consciousness, but that does not necessarily mean that UC is absolutely unlimited... for example, God cannot both exist and not exist at the same time. Even God has certain limitations.To be truly human is to be divine.

Not "fallen" in the Christian dogmatic sense of all of mankind starting off as sinful, flawed and being punished. Would you consider a half developed chicken in an egg as imperfect? We merely have not completed our development toward God consciousness.

Thus we are not fallen but rather not finished developing. Adeptwand 2 days ago .

You are looking at it from "down to up", why not see it as it is, "from above to below". Our centre of awareness, the "I am", is pure consciousness, perfect, for we emanate from the Divine Source. This pure flame has been cloaked by layers, or call them principles if you wish, of the mental realm, the emotional realm, and the physical realm.

I quite agree that man is of Spirit, not sinful and degraded as religion would have us to accept. Doing so merely gives our individual power of self-determination over to others, and nothing should stand between the individual soul and their Source. In case you haven't read this, you might find it interesting too:members.optusnet.com.au/~acceptance/Your... God IS - which is an Absolute of Being, all the rest is relative.Htm.

No matter how much you may CONCEIVE of it from top-to-bottom and no matter how lofty your beliefs, you still can never ACHIEVE a full awareness and functional activation of the spiritual dimension; FOR ALL THOSE SEEKING TO MOVE UPWARD, a practical approach demands a Know-How from below-to-above, because that's the direction we must move in order to get There! Have you achieved a mastery via your current beliefs, concepts or practices? Adeptwand 1 day ago .

One does not approach the Godhead through beliefs or concepts but by LOVE. It is spiritual expansion of the Soul, not the Intellect, that is required and it does not come through mind. It comes by way of union with the divine within oneself."Mind be still, and know that 'I AM' God.

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You must realize that to Experience God Face-to-face is not necessarily to Understand God. You have made LOVE the all important and only important determining factor. However, the Intellect happens to be a legitimate aspect of the MIND portion of the Soul.

The Full Development and Integration of BODY, MIND, EMOTION and SPIRIT is required in order to attain mastery. The true Goal of life is mastery of God's Truth, not high experiences via expansion. When you speak of "expansion of the Soul" in practically all cases you are talking only about a temporary/momentary touching upon the spiritual dimension.

But high level experiences are NOT in themselves a mastery such as Jesus achieved. He ACHIEVED mastery, and was not created with it gratis, as a compliment from God, just because he was Either your unity with God was momentary, or it is an on-going full-time State of Being.So which is it? Adeptwand 1 day ago .

I do believe you have taken on a bias against anything intellectual, and you have misread a Bible quote as the result. The correct quote is, "Be still, and know that I am God. " Psalm 46:10 It means quiet your WHOLE BEING, not just your mind!

Adeptwand 1 day ago .

We each have our individual approach to the awakening and it is for each to find what is best suited. I've come across spiritual persons who do not use Meditation at all, perhaps they have no need of it, well, that is their choice. By the way, we are all "sons and daughters of God" which means the essence of the Divine is within every soul and the Master simply pointed the Way to us.

The personal layers which cover the soul's expression - body, emotions, mind - are eventually to be put aside as one unfolds universality in Spirit, no problem with that, it is our destiny. The mind is useful as a tool but only up to a point.

Dear goldie080 I do believe you have not answered my question. You speak in broad generalities, but say nothing about the SPECIFICS of achieving enlightenment... and whether YOU PERSONALLY have achieved it. Adeptwand 1 day ago .

Again adeptwand - I'm discussing the phases the soul will pass through to transcend the lower levels of personal consciousness into greater awareness. My experiences will not change you because it's necessary for you to discover these phases for yourself, I cannot do it for you, it is your journey. There are endless books you can read of great souls and their experiences, if you wish to learn about that.

I'd recommend P. Yogananda for a start:amazon.com/Autobiography-Yogi-Paramahans... the malayas:macdonaldbayne.homestead.com/Beyondindex... Yoga of the Christ:murdomacdonaldbayneyoga.homestead.com/YO... Walter Russell: "The Man Who Tapped the Secrets of the Universe":philosophy.org/index.php?option=com_cont... Aurobindo:http://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/ashram/sriauro/writings.php--------------All are great souls who have much to offer for our understanding. Com/Autobiography-Yogi-Paramahansa-Yogananda/dp/0876120834/ref=sr_1_1?

Ie=UTF8&qid=1320631051&sr=8-1.

I've read all those books. None of them, including the Holy Bible, have the Truth. Bits and piece of it, yes.

But not the Whole Truth. Various individuals such as Maurice Bucke (Cosmic Consciousness) have had varying degrees of high experiences (a momentary glimpse of the spiritiual realm), but rare is the one who has achieved mastery and then Full Enlightenment. Anyone who does achieve this is sworn to secrecy, and for good reason since the world's set religions HATE representatives of Truth.

They understandably feel threatened by that System of Spiritual Development which demands more than just belief in a doctrine. Adeptwand 18 hours ago .

I quite agree. M. Bucke's book is a favorite on my bookshelf too for most of my life.At one time spiritual truths were kept to the few but it seems in our time now it is being brought out of any secrecy and it becoming more of common knowledge.

Never mind about the church's hold on inner truths, their control is diminishing with every decade. There's a point I thought of after my earlier post to you, it's about the thief who was also on the cross beside the Master in his final hours. Jesus said the thief would be with him in Paradise that day.

This was because of his aura being spiritual, not of the lower vibrations. Now this is an example of the heart centre showing the man's true qualities, and the Master knew that. There was no need for intellectual mastery at all to reveal his level of spirituality.

Just a thought.

You seem to keep devaluing the "intellect" as not important or necessary for enlightenment. And yet Jesus was a clear advocate of reasoning, and used logic to stun his adversaries in a number of cases. I still maintain that intellectual material has its legitimate place and function.

Yes, when acting alone, it can become one-sided, mentalistic, heady and even haughty. You have merely assumed that the thief was of a higher spiritual vibration, based on the remark of Jesus. That may not have been the case at all.

May be all souls suffering on their respective crosses-to-bear end up in a temporary paradise after they pass over, just as a matter of course. So Jesus was merely trying to help set at ease the suffering man. Where did you obtain information about the thief's aura?

As you hopefully can see, your assumptions can cause you to read-in information that is not necessarily present in the given context. And it is partially the task of the INTELLECT and its logic which can protect against that happening. Opposite of the intellectual is the emotionalistic.

That is one who bases everything on "feelings. " Enlightenment demands a PERFECT BALANCE of head and heart, intellect and emotions. AND MASTERY DEMANDS INDEPTH EXHAUSTIVE AND RELENTLESS THOUGHT if genuine understanding (meaning to stand-under, i.e.

Perceive causes) is truly desired. Adeptwand 7 hours ago .

Privacy" is a recent invention by a screwed-up government. God knows everything, including YOUR sins. There is no such thing as privacy before your Just Judge.

Rather, you are invading HIS earth and messing it up.

First, God is not a HIS. Male and female are EQUAL aspects of the One God. "Fatherness" was a partial concept adopted by Jesus for lack of a better term at the time, to refer to deity.

Holy Father and Holy Mother are infantile precepts of manmade mortal religiosity, appealing to immature undeveloped humans who depend emotionally on some power outside of themselves to solve their problems and "save" them from their self-caused sins and dilemmas in life... and who consequently have not outgrown their childish ways. Second, if the best government in the world which is for, of and by the people, is "screwed up" then I guess we all can take a good guess WHO is at fault - and it certainly is not the people IN the government. It is people who complain about it but do little or nothing to FIX it.

Third, Maybe YOU are invading .. but as for me, I am an invited guest. And most of the good people I have ever met are not "messing it up" but desire to clean up our waste materials and better our world's condition. I am confident that as soon as your negative viewpoint is repaired by you, that you will discover many more positives in God's world here than you even suspected exist.

Adeptwand 2 days ago .

I don't think so, because He would not be using the information for any bad purpose or just because He was nosy! .

What would be his good purpose, since obviously nothing is ever done with that info.. we are pretty much on our own to work things out for ourselves. Adeptwand 2 days ago .

Sorry, I obviously didn't think about that part. I don't think he'd do anything with our thoughts unless we prayed forsomething relating to that. I just don't think it's an invasion of privacy as He knows all..

Thank you! ...ps I love daffodils, they remind me of the old style telephones. Shall we use one to call up God and ask Hah adeptwand 1 day ago .

He is our creator, it is in his right to hear and guide us.

...and please don't give me that worn out claim that you have "faith" that it is so. Faith is not blind belief, it is based on EVIDENCE. Adeptwand 1 day ago .

God is in your thoughts. The power and energy of your being IS god. There is no separation.

When our souls awaken to the truth, we understand that there is nowhere that god is not. This is the great truth understood by the wise men and great mystics through the ages. It is the smile on the Buddha's face and the knowing in all true holy men.

Just as gold can be any piece of jewelry, god is the gold that makes up all of the creation. God wears many masks. God is closer than your thoughts, closer than your breath.

God knows your thoughts before you do because god is your thoughts. The creative power of god is the ability to be the beggar and the king. It is a grand Cosmic theater.

God's love, god's light, god's power is all there is. Even the negative is god power seeking its potential to know light and love via the brilliance and flawless ordering of divine process. I AM.

That is god's true name. And I AM is all that is. You have no privacy from yourself.

God is yourself.

Beautifully written! I would like to add however that there are aspects of God that are yourself, and aspects that are not. Example: The Son was WITH God in the beginning, however the Son is not the absolute equivalent of the First Cause... because the Son is CREATED by the First Cause.

Therefore is a first order Effect of the First Cause only, even though the Son is a Primal Cause of much else in creation. Therefore God is yourself, but only in a certain sense. Adeptwand 2 days ago .

See to me that is like saying, water is water but only in a cup. I have a different spiritual background: Zen, metaphysics and Vedanta. Eastern thought does not perceive god in the same way as Western religion.In my mind, there is NO separation, only degrees of awareness of divine presence.

As awareness blossoms, the petals are lit, electrified and realization of oneness (At-One-ment) is manifest. The two thought systems are very different. Son With God for example, to me means of god force in a state of becoming.

But not yet fully realized. Its like a seed. The seed is 'with' its potential.

Each phase of its growth can only be possible because the potential is energetically recorded IN the seed. Its potential isn't off on some cloud waiting for it to be a tree.It is within making it possible for it to be a tree. God IS life force.

God IS cycles. God IS the fabric of the creation, yet not defined by it. God is the seed and god is the tree.

God creates out of Divine Self through process, evolution, cycles and universal laws. These are the tools of the creative process. Every phrase in the bible could be interpreted to support my beliefs as well.

Human beings interpret, therefore create their own URL3 matter what is written, the mind can only understand what it interprets the words to mean. So of course all I express is my opinion. I would not say it should be yours, however, because my belief system teaches respect for other's beliefs, until one seeks to force them upon me.So I must disagree when you say there is a time when god isn't in something or someone.

That to me is a blatant impossibility.

I am saying that for our evolving sakes, God is not FULLY IN us.. some fraction of FULL GOD CONSCIOUSNESS voltage is present only... until which time as we achieve the gher Voltage Levels via mastery and enlightenment. Adeptwand 1 day ago .

I do agree with that. We would become annihilated to suddenly contain the fullness of god's light and power. There is a seed of the Divine within.It is that seed of potentiality.

It is the golden, electrical ember burning like a candle in the darkness. It is the jewel from the crown of pure consciousness brilliantly honed into gentleness releasing its power of alchemical transformation following the will of the grand magician that turns the lead to gold.

The Magician has never lived who can change lead into gold... because the Great Secret, now revealed, is that the Lead must change itself. Adeptwand 1 day ago .

I consider the Magician to be that aspect of Self that IS transformation, not some being. It is like the Tarot. All archetypes, Magician, Priestess, Empress etc.Are aspects of Self.

They are principles and universal laws, not real people. We live in a world of symbology. The Empress is the aspect of universal energy that is the mother.

She births and nurtures. Its a principle.

One must learn the secret knowledge hidden behind the alchemical pictograms, otherwise they remain only a mystery. And that's why Jesus referred to them as the mysteries."...it is given unto you disciplesto know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them public it is not given. " Matthew 13:11-17.

The Mysteries must not be given to the public at all, because the public invariably distorts and misuses them. Adeptwand 18 hours ago .

I don't think you're understanding me. Nor do I think you are understanding of what alchemical process is. Why go through the fancy high sounding stories in the bible?

The stories themselves are not the transformation. Nor did I say the principles of which I spoke WERE the transformation, but symbols of the transformational process and universal laws. The true mystery is that the real GOD is pure existence, beingness, wholly undefinable by anything in the creation, including the words of Jesus.

The creation is known by the first born, which is God Mind. There is only one KNOWER of the mind of God. That is what most call god.

The supreme knower, creator. The mystery is that only god is the doer of all action. The only person that exists is God, the first born.

I have studied esoteric mysteries all of my life. I am not a beginner in this process and I do not speak lightly. I have studied many paths and have rested in the clarity of Vedanta as a foundation for my studies.

From the right springboard, you must leap into the unknown. There is where the mystery abides. Truth is not new.

Truth is timeless. There is no new understanding. There is an awakening to timeless truth from the state of spiritual slumber.

You cannot truly know the true mysteries until you give up looking outside of yourself, and quit reading bible stories, quite empowering others to teach you and begin your awakening of god self being YOUR self. You cannot begin to learn the mysteries until you give up all you think you know. That is the initiation and the riddle.

Therefore, since I have written what I think I know, I realize I must be ready to relinquish it at any moment. The one thing I will not do, is to relinquish the knowledge I have earned to what I perceive as a lesser understanding of truth. However, when prompted, I let go and let god and open my mind to another stepping stone, which I will again surrender at some point as I awaken further in my journey.

The words of Jesus could be the words of anyone for the importance they hold to me. That is your inspiration, not mine. Until you can give Jesus up to know what he knew, you will never understand what he was REALLY saying at all.

Your head is so filled with metaphysical mumbo-jumbo that you would be unable to recognize the Real Truth if it hit you broadside. Take just one example from your above: "The only person that exists is God, the first born. " God is not the first born, for "He" mself gives rise to (is the First Cause of) the first born.

Born unto None. Is and always was. Now Jesus is said to be the Son or Offspring of this First Cause, which means Jesus is a First Order Effect who then becomes a Secondary Cause.

The First Cause (God, the Uncaused) and the CREATED Second Cause (Son of God, the Caused). No one will ever know what Jesus knew from reading/studying the New Testament. That's due to the fact that he was murdered before he had the chance to share his Secret Knowledge with humanity.

S TRUE gift of salvation was his Truth, not his death. He did not come into this world for the purpose of "dying for sins" but St. Paul could not figure it all out, so he gave his best shot interpretation of why he believed Jesus died and yet the kingdom of God was not brought to earth. Tragically he was in GROSS ERROR.

And billions of Christians have paid the penalty as the result, believing in their nonexistent "Savior. " The death of Jesus was a senseless, absurd and tragic event, not one leading to anyone's salvation. Has it occurred to YOU yet that you may have read-in or misinterpreted MY words, Skylight?

Are YOU ready to give up all you think you currently know? Adeptwand 2 hours ago .

Your head is so filled with metaphysical mumbo-jumbo that you would be unable to recognize the Real Truth if it hit you broadside. " Would Jesus approach me with those words? Sounds like something a child would say, not a person possessing of spiritual knowledge.

I must have hit a nerve. Actually I expected your response. Thank you for proving my instincts right.

We obviously have a differing view of reality. End of discussion. I feel at peace with my journey.

Hopefully you do too. Good-bye.

No. He overturned their tables. When a person is locked-into their own favorite viewpoint it can be next to impossible to break them free.

If you are at peace with your journey, but you have not yet achieved Superconscious Enlightenment, then you are living a lie which is no better than that of a worldly religion, though it be perhaps somewhat more advanced. I thought it best in your unique case to dispense with the pleasantries, and get right into the shock treatment. Of course you do not have to "take it" if you still feel that you already HAVE all the vital Keys of Enlightenment.. and it is just a matter of time until it comes to you.

But then you would need to ask yourself, "How sure am I that ANY or ALL of the world's books, teachings and schools COMBINED have been able to, or are able to provide me with what would be Wholly (Holy) Truth? Could even they be somehow lacking in ways I don't entirely see clearly? Do I have any remnants of preconceived ideas which could prevent me from attaining Enlightenment in my lifetime?

"Yes, Jesus might approach you in any way that he felt might GRAB YOUR ATTENTION as I did, Skylight. Now the only question that remains is, Are you still able and willing to become Blind? Adeptwand 26 mins ago .

Defining God is the problem of humanity togther with its attempt at 'thinking'. Blessings .

Actually, I propose just the opposite. It is due primarily to a LACK of adequate thought into the issues of "God" and "Truth" that has left humanity in such confusion. All aspects of the being - body, mind, emotion, spirit - must be totally engaged and not simply "belief" or "faith" in a doctrine or representative of God.

Adeptwand 2 days ago .

I doubt that He considers it an invasion of privacy.

God knows our hearts. He chose David as king because he knew his heart and liked it.

Thank you for the reminder that we must become as little children in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven. ...but the Bible also says, when we become an adult we must put away our childish ways. Do these two biblical ideas seem to you to be contrary?

Adeptwand 1 day ago .

If the fantasy that there were a god or the over 2,500 identified by history, that they could read minds has to be another uninformed human fantasy.

Skeptics want God to be proved to them. But it just ain't gonna happen... It never occurs to them that maybe it is THEY who must prove themselves to God. Adeptwand 1 day ago .

You are correct; it does not occur to us that we should prove ourselves to imaginary concepts of ancient man and the modern humans who choose not to use their Neocortex. We do not require proof of god, only that you provide such proof if you expect your baseless claim to be taken seriously. No effort to prove is required of the listener; it is always the speaker who must provide evidence for a claim.

I have a friend, in here, who thinks like you do. He is angered that I answer q's on religion. I listed my four years of study of religious history concentrating on Judaism and the two spin-offs, Christianity and Islam.

I had qualified mentors and probably know more factual information about the three than most adherents. If you claim that the Dallas Cowboys are the bestest team in the universe, the NO Saints fan will merely say…prove it.

It means that IF THERE IS a God, you have no chance of ever knowing it on account of your limited "scientific" demands of proof, as based on the PRESENT TIME METHODS AVAILABLE TO YOU ONLY. That is the main problem of science.It is a time/space relativistic endeavor. Compounding the problem is the fact that science is outer directed and considers (ignorantly) that the only things that have reality are those of the five outer senses, or the same extended.

Madame Marie Curie, whose birthday is today Nov.7, found out the hard way the harsh reality of radiation which none of her outer senses detected in order to protect her from the radiation poisoning. The problem with religion, which is equally barred from ever finding God, is that its adherents are required to take TOO MUCH on faith or belief alone. A healthy dose of skepticism is good for science, but too much in the person ends up smothering his ultimate capability.

If you depend on science or religion as your final judge of proof, you will prevent yourself from even attempting to BE STILL, AND KNOW THAT I AM GOD. Adeptwand 2 hours ago .

I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.