How do I socialize two adult neutered male cats. (I have tried everything and they want to kill each other.)?

How do I socialize two adult neutered male cats. (I have tried everything and they want to kill each other. ) I am not new to socializing cats, in the past year I socialized 15 cats prior to putting them up for adoptions.

However, I am at a loss when it comes to my two adult feral male cats. These cat use to sleep together in the wild but since I trapped them and had then neutered they want to kill each other. They have both been inside for a year; however, I have had to keep the separated.

They are fine with female cats, and are very loving to humans. I kenneled the one cat and allowed the other male cat to socialize outside the kennel. They were calm for about sixty seconds and then started ramming their heads into the sides of the kennel.

We also tried supervised socialization. When the males started to show aggression, we grabbed both of them by their scruff and said no. This worked to a point, as soon as we turned our backs on them they both went in for the kill.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can socialize these male cats? Asked by Susang6 28 months ago Similar Questions: socialize adult neutered male cats kill Recent Questions About: socialize adult neutered male cats kill Pets > Cats.

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Socialize two adult neutered male cats Kittens are naturally scared of people at first, but if handled and well cared for in the first 16 weeks, they will develop trust in the humans who care for them. To decrease the odds of a cat being unsocial or hostile towards humans, kittens should be socialized at an early age. It is a challenge to socialize an adult feral cat.

Socialized adult feral cats tend to trust only those people they have learned over time can be trusted, and can be very fearful around strangers. Cats can be extremely friendly companions. The strength of the cat-human bond usually depends on the human behavior, whether the human is always gentle and considerate, takes time for affection when the cat wants and knows when to stop when the cat grows tired of it, responds to the cat's needs and wants, and appreciates the cat.

The formula for a successful relationship thus has much in common with human to human relationships. Some people regard cats as sneaky, shy, or aloof animals. Cats have an inherent distrust for predator species such as humans, and often seek to minimize any contact with people they do not perceive as trustworthy.

Feline shyness and aggression around people with cat social skills is often a result of lack of socialization, abuse or neglect. Cats relate to humans differently than more social animals, enjoying some time on their own each day as well as time with humans. Cats have a strong 'escape' instinct.

Attempts to corner, capture or herd a cat can thus provoke powerful fear-based escape behavior. Socialization greatly reduces the number of humans that a cat will respond to in this way. Socialization is a process of learning that many humans can be trusted.

There is a widespread belief that relationships between dogs and cats are problematic. However, both species can develop amicable relationships by reading each others' body language correctly. The animals can better read each others' language when they first encountered each other at a young age, due to the fact that they are learning to communicate simultaneously.

The order of adoption may also cause significant differences in their relationship. Sometimes the dog may be simply looking to play with the cat while the cat may take the approach a lot more seriously and lash out with its sharp claws causing painful injury. Such an incident may cause an irreversible animosity between the cat and dog.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_behavior#Socialization .

Socialize two adult neutered male cats. Two Cats are Better than One? February 17, 2008 10:17 AM RSS feed for this thread SubscribeI want two kittens.

My husband wants one. Help me win this argument. I think:The cost of having two kittens/cats isn't much more than one (barring vet bills - is this the case?

We're in the UK. )Mess from shedding, hairballs, stray vomit and poop, etc. isn't much more from two than one. They will be indoor kitties and will be fitter and healthier with playmates.

Husband thinks:It will be spendier, messier, etc. by a factor of two if we get two kittens. Posted by By The Grace of God to pets & animals (52 comments total) 3 users marked this as a favoriteHusband adds:"I think that although the flat we are renting will, in short term, be quite big, there's no guarantee that we will continue to have a humungous four bedroom flat for the next 15 years or whatever. The pair of cats would likely be too cramped in the one or two bedroom flat or house we could afford to buy in future.

"posted by By The Grace of God at 10:19 AM on February 17, 2008Why on earth do you think a second cat will not cost as much as the first? It will eat as much, shed as much, poop as much, require as many trips to the vet. Further, you double your chances of having unexpected pet bills.

Cats aren't even always social with each other, so the idea that they would play with each other and keep each other company is almost a crap shoot. Lastly, don't underestimate how bad things can get between two cats...posted by wfrgms at 10:24 AM on February 17, 2008Litterbox gets dirtier faster with two cats. Posted by smackfu at 10:24 AM on February 17, 2008In our 3br flat, we have two Abyssinian cats (the border collies of the cat world) who clearly do a fine job of keeping each other company and they're not too cramped.

We don't spent anything extra (time/effort) in terms of cat waste, since you should be cleaning the litter boxes out dailly anyway. It will cost you 2x in terms of food, of course, but this is a marginal cost. I think that your argument about one keeping the other company is extremely important, especially if you both work.

These are domesticated animals, and therefore are used to company. If neither of you are around for 8+ hours a day, then it seems far more compassionate to provide some sort of companionship for your companion. A second kitten sounds great to me.

Posted by scblackman at 10:24 AM on February 17, 2008 1 favoriteTwo kitties ARE messier than one. Two kitties ARE more expensive than one, by every measure. Two kitties ARE happier than one.

Get two kitties. Posted by Dizzy at 10:25 AM on February 17, 2008 2 favoritesTwo cats are lowering your blood pressure much more than one. And men are much more subject to high blood pressure (and less space means that they will be much closer to you : which is good for their influence on your health).

Posted by nicolin at 10:25 AM on February 17, 2008Two kittens are NOT messier than one. One lonely kitten will be destructive as hell. Two kittens won't get as lonely and will play with each other instead of playing with your curtains.

Vet bills shouldn't be much more because, much like people who live alone, cats who live alone tend to get more health issues than those being groomed/cared for by others. This comes from someone who's done it both ways. I've also had two cats in a one bedroom apartment.

If they've been raised together since kittens, they chill together and aren't remotely cramped. Posted by InnocentBystander at 10:28 AM on February 17, 2008 Sources: http://ask.metafilter.com/83854/Two-Cats-are-Better-than-One .

Cat behavior From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cat behavior generally refers to the behaviors and habits of domestic cats, including body language and communication. Cat behavior may vary among breeds and individual cats. Many common behaviors include hunting techniques and reactions to certain events as well as interactions with humans and other animals, such as dogs.

Communication can vary greatly depending on a cat's temperament. In a family with multiple cats, social position can also affect behavior patterns with others. A cat's eating patterns can also vary depending on the owner's choice of food or eating times/quantities.

In the case of a family having two or more cats, one cat may become dominant over the other cats. Citation neededContentshide * 1 Body language * 2 Scent rubbing and spraying * 3 Courting * 4 Vocal calls * 5 Righting reflex * 6 Food eating patterns * 7 Food covering * 8 Socialization * 9 See also * 10 References * 11 External linksedit Body languageCats rely strongly on body language to communicate. * Disgust — The lifting or constant shaking of a paw or paws.

The more times the paw is shaken, the stronger the cat's feeling; this can sometimes be a four paw affair with each paw being lifted and shaken in turn. This behavior is possibly related to the identical action displayed after stepping into water. Displeasure at a situation can be shown by moving the ears back and rapidly swishing the tail.

* Agitation or Aggression — the swishing or sweeping of the tail in a wide swath, in mid-air or against a person. Tail flicking indicates inner conflict, while wide tail swishing shows external conflict. Further irritation may result in the cat moving or leaving the room and even physical aggression.

* Contentedness — Kneading with the paws on a person or, for example, a favorite blanket or sleeping spot. Young kittens knead their mother's nipples to stimulate the feeding reflex so that her milk flows. Cats may knead for a short or extended period of time; the extended period is sometimes interpreted by people as a sign of discomfort or restlessness, but it is more likely that the cat is happy.

Most cats will demonstrate this for about ten minutes at the longest, although some have been known to knead and suckle on their favorite human's shirt or ear lobe over the course of an entire night. Researchers at Oxford University have demonstrated that cats derive immense pleasure from kneading, similar to the relaxing sensation for humans from snacking on favorite foods or being massaged. * Relaxation — sprawling on the side or back and, possibly, rolling about; this may be seen, for example, when a person enters the room or stirs from their seat.

Sometimes they roll over onto their back and shake their paws in the air. This behavior shows complete relaxation. The cat may display this at the same time as the person's movement.

* Affection — a pressing of the face or top of the head against a person's body (head rubbing), leaving a scent to mark the cat's territory; or rubbing in quick succession. Cats may also blink slowly as an expression of affection or security. 1 Many cats also use a question mark-shaped tail to show desire to greet someone they are fond of.

They will also stretch to show they are content with their surroundings. Cats may also lick their owner or another person to show affection. * Submission — Upon being approached, it will fall down on its side, indicating it is not seeking attention and is unwilling to put up a fight.

* Interest and Rejection — The position of the ears communicates the degree of desire to engage with the situation around them. Ears up and moved slightly forward shows real interest in what is going on, while ears moved backward shows distaste and desire to not engage with the situation. Cats show disapproval by moving their ears back, an equivalent of a human frown.

They also crouch and turn their back to the situation to indicate disinterest or unhappiness. A cat will either move a little or give a faint "meow" if it does not want to be picked up. * Desire for Attention — To solicit attention (for food or affection) from humans, cats will rub their bodies against the human's legs with back arched and tail raised.

Less often, a cat may reach out and touch a human with its forepaw to get attention. Edit Scent rubbing and sprayingThis behavior is used primarily to claim ownership of something, although unlike male cats, female cats do not usually spray. Some spayed females may spray to mimic males, but do not have enough scent to mark.

Once male cats are neutered the scent rubbing or spraying will, in most cases, decrease or stop. Some male cats continue to spray if not neutered early enough. Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_behavior .

. Once male cats are neutered the scent rubbing or spraying will, in most cases, ... It is a challen Two Cats are Better than One? February 17, 2008 10:17 AM RSS feed for this thread SubscribeI want two kittens.

My husband wants one. Help me win this argument. I think:The cost of having two kittens/cats isn't much more than one (barring vet bills - is this the case?

We're in the UK. )Mess from shedding, hairballs, stray vomit and poop, etc. isn't much more from two than one. They will be indoor kitties and will be fitter and healthier with playmates.

Husband thinks:It will be spendier, messier, etc. by a factor of two if we get two kittens. Husband adds:"I think that although the flat we are renting will, in short term, be quite big, there's no guarantee that we will continue to have a humungous four bedroom flat for the next 15 years or whatever. The pair of cats would likely be too cramped in the one or two bedroom flat or house we could afford to buy in future.

"posted by By The Grace of God at 10:19 AM on February 17, 2008Why on earth do you think a second cat will not cost as much as the first? It will eat as much, shed as much, poop as much, require as many trips to the vet. Further, you double your chances of having unexpected pet bills.

Cats aren't even always social with each other, so the idea that they would play with each other and keep each other company is almost a crap shoot. Lastly, don't underestimate how bad things can get between two cats...posted by wfrgms at 10:24 AM on February 17, 2008Litterbox gets dirtier faster with two cats. Posted by smackfu at 10:24 AM on February 17, 2008 In our 3br flat, we have two Abyssinian cats (the border collies of the cat world) who clearly do a fine job of keeping each other company and they're not too cramped.

We don't spent anything extra (time/effort) in terms of cat waste, since you should be cleaning the litter boxes out dailly anyway. It will cost you 2x in terms of food, of course, but this is a marginal cost. I think that your argument about one keeping the other company is extremely important, especially if you both work.

These are domesticated animals, and therefore are used to company. If neither of you are around for 8+ hours a day, then it seems far more compassionate to provide some sort of companionship for your companion. A second kitten sounds great to me.

Posted by scblackman at 10:24 AM on February 17, 2008 1 favoriteTwo kitties ARE messier than one. Two kitties ARE more expensive than one, by every measure. Two kitties ARE happier than one.

Get two kitties. Posted by Dizzy at 10:25 AM on February 17, 2008 2 favoritesTwo cats are lowering your blood pressure much more than one. And men are much more subject to high blood pressure (and less space means that they will be much closer to you : which is good for their influence on your health).

Posted by nicolin at 10:25 AM on February 17, 2008Two kittens are NOT messier than one. One lonely kitten will be destructive as hell. Two kittens won't get as lonely and will play with each other instead of playing with your curtains.

Vet bills shouldn't be much more because, much like people who live alone, cats who live alone tend to get more health issues than those being groomed/cared for by others. This comes from someone who's done it both ways. I've also had two cats in a one bedroom apartment.

If they've been raised together since kittens, they chill together and aren't remotely cramped. Posted by InnocentBystander at 10:28 AM on February 17, 2008Extra costs will be small increment (including vet bills). Extra labor is dependent upon the cats; one cat may make the mess of 4 cats...but two well-behaved cats may create the mess of less than one cat.

Totally dependent upon the cats. You can make a deal like this:Using the info above, husband gets to pick the two cats. That way, he'll be more likely to think they are well-behaved.

Please use the local pound to get a cat and not from a pet store or breeder. You do want to rescue a baby kitty that would be put to sleep, otherwise, don't you? Posted by hal_c_on at 10:30 AM on February 17, 2008 1 favorite Sources: http://ask.metafilter.com/83854/Two-Cats-are-Better-than-One .

Cat behavior Cat behavior generally refers to the behaviors and habits of domestic cats, including body language and communication. Cat behavior may vary among breeds and individual cats. Many common behaviors include hunting techniques and reactions to certain events as well as interactions with humans and other animals, such as dogs.

Communication can vary greatly depending on a cat's temperament. In a family with multiple cats, social position can also affect behavior patterns with others. A cat's eating patterns can also vary depending on the owner's choice of food or eating times/quantities.

In the case of a family having two or more cats, one cat may become dominant over the other cats. Citation neededContentshide * 1 Body language * 2 Scent rubbing and spraying * 3 Courting * 4 Vocal calls * 5 Righting reflex * 6 Food eating patterns * 7 Food covering * 8 Socialization * 9 See also * 10 References * 11 External linksedit Body languageCats rely strongly on body language to communicate. * Disgust — The lifting or constant shaking of a paw or paws.

The more times the paw is shaken, the stronger the cat's feeling; this can sometimes be a four paw affair with each paw being lifted and shaken in turn. This behavior is possibly related to the identical action displayed after stepping into water. Displeasure at a situation can be shown by moving the ears back and rapidly swishing the tail.

* Agitation or Aggression — the swishing or sweeping of the tail in a wide swath, in mid-air or against a person. Tail flicking indicates inner conflict, while wide tail swishing shows external conflict. Further irritation may result in the cat moving or leaving the room and even physical aggression.

* Contentedness — Kneading with the paws on a person or, for example, a favorite blanket or sleeping spot. Young kittens knead their mother's nipples to stimulate the feeding reflex so that her milk flows. Cats may knead for a short or extended period of time; the extended period is sometimes interpreted by people as a sign of discomfort or restlessness, but it is more likely that the cat is happy.

Most cats will demonstrate this for about ten minutes at the longest, although some have been known to knead and suckle on their favorite human's shirt or ear lobe over the course of an entire night. Researchers at Oxford University have demonstrated that cats derive immense pleasure from kneading, similar to the relaxing sensation for humans from snacking on favorite foods or being massaged. * Relaxation — sprawling on the side or back and, possibly, rolling about; this may be seen, for example, when a person enters the room or stirs from their seat.

Sometimes they roll over onto their back and shake their paws in the air. This behavior shows complete relaxation. The cat may display this at the same time as the person's movement.

* Affection — a pressing of the face or top of the head against a person's body (head rubbing), leaving a scent to mark the cat's territory; or rubbing in quick succession. Cats may also blink slowly as an expression of affection or security. 1 Many cats also use a question mark-shaped tail to show desire to greet someone they are fond of.

They will also stretch to show they are content with their surroundings. Cats may also lick their owner or another person to show affection. * Submission — Upon being approached, it will fall down on its side, indicating it is not seeking attention and is unwilling to put up a fight.

* Interest and Rejection — The position of the ears communicates the degree of desire to engage with the situation around them. Ears up and moved slightly forward shows real interest in what is going on, while ears moved backward shows distaste and desire to not engage with the situation. Cats show disapproval by moving their ears back, an equivalent of a human frown.

They also crouch and turn their back to the situation to indicate disinterest or unhappiness. A cat will either move a little or give a faint "meow" if it does not want to be picked up. * Desire for Attention — To solicit attention (for food or affection) from humans, cats will rub their bodies against the human's legs with back arched and tail raised.

Less often, a cat may reach out and touch a human with its forepaw to get attention. Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_behavior .

" "Although I've had many cats. I have my first male cat. " "do unneutered male cats spray?

" "2 yr old neutered male cat. Urine smells like Tom Cat. Have a lot of exp w/ cats, never this,does not have UTI,What's up?

" "How many cats is too many cats? " "do male cats lift their leg to potty? " "why do cats do what they do?

" "my 2 male cats are fixed and yet they still spray I do not know what to do? They are from the same litter. " "Rocketeer Question-Happy Birthday to Bob Barker-and do you get your dog & cats spayed & neutered?

" "Are neutured male cats still affected by female cats in heat?

Although I've had many cats. I have my first male cat.

2 yr old neutered male cat. Urine smells like Tom Cat. Have a lot of exp w/ cats, never this,does not have UTI,What's up?

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