Loaded handguns in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. A good idea? A bad idea?

You ask three questions. Yes, it is a great idea, as long as it does not extend to brewpubs. The country and the world is seriously overpopulated and food and other resources are not sustainable unless the population is reduced.

On the other hand, I tend to visit brewpubs and would not like guns there. No, it is not constitutionally protected. The states and municipalities have a clear right to regulate firearms even under the most pro-gun court decisions.

Furthermore, the 2nd ammendment is completely misinterpreted and if it were read properly it only pertains to service in the military. Yes, it is a great recipe for trouble. Another good idea recently introduced in Louisiana is the right to bring guns to church.

We certainly need a reduction in the number of religious fanatics.

If you read your history, the "right to bear arms" is an acknowledgement of the INNATE RIGHT, natural human right. In other words, the government is acknowledging that they (the government) does not have the right to regulate a person's means of self defense. Additionally, in the historic documents that support the creation of the Second Ammendment, one of the purposes for specifically not allowing government to infringe on this natural right was so the people could use the guns to deter undemocratic government (such as a government that was too socialist leaning).

In this day and age, everyone is grossly indoctirnated toward focusing on destroying the rights of 350,000,000,000 people because 200 do stupid sh*+. As you all can already guess, I'm in favor of the wild west - everyone has a loaded gun in the bar. It's a good idea, not because of the obvious issues of mixing alcohol with any killing weapon, but because it makes no more sense to limit guns because of alcohol than it does cars because of alcohol.In fact, cars and alcohol are significantly more harmful.

And one other note: I take offense that such a precious right is turned into a parody in Mahalo answers. All our individual Rights are under severe attack right now. Brevity only gives Rights detractors more power.

.. this is just my opinion but here goes... The only reason a weapon should be loaded is if you intend to fire it. So, anyone with a loaded weapon (with or without alcohol involved) is meaning menace to themself, someone or something. If there is a reason or need to carry a loaded weapon into a public place it should probably be closed down or barbed wired off and called a middle east country.

Although, I am totally behind the right to bare and own arms ... I am against irresponsibility. Thus, getting to the point that carrying a loaded weapon and adding alcohol is ridiculous whether at home or in a public place. So, be responsible don't load the gun.

" Do you believe in the American system, including the Supreme court. Or, do you believe that anti-gun individuals should be able to dictate to the rest of us poor slobs how we should live our lives because they are just that much smarter than us, and should be allowed to over-rule the Supreme Court because they are just that much smarter than even the justices. Where does their arrogance end?

Another rational way to look at the issue is to study the statistics. Judging from the level of stupidity thrust on us unconvinced imbeciles who do not line up to hand over their guns along with their rights on your say-so, the states on your map that allow loaded guns in bars should be rampant with bar shootings, while the states with smart people who ban guns in bars should have almost no bar shootings, correct? Not even close.

In places like Wyoming and North Dakota, people tend to shoot varmints rather than each other, even if they happen to be in a bar (the people, not the varmints). If I'm a criminal in a state with no "no guns in bars" laws, my new second best place to get a gun becomes the bar parking lot (right after stealing them from private homes). What makes folks think they are smarter than "we the people"?

If the people of California don't want guns in bars, God bless them, they can be wrong until the Supreme court gives the rights back to the people, but what on earth would posses them to want to dictate to the people of Tennessee? What makes anti-gun nuts smarter than the USSC, the Constitution, the facts of bar shootings, the voters of individual states, and anyone else who might disagree with them? Arrogance and condescension drips off the word of "ban the guns" proponents as if they were a whole nuther species from us poor stupid people who could possibly disagree with their obviously superior minds.

Get over yourselves, get off your high horses, and discuss this like the equals that you are. Supporters of taking guns from the people are no smarter than anyone with whom they disagree, although it seems obvious that they honestly believe they are. Rather than beat us over the head with your proclamations of your obvious (to you) superiority, show us some statistics that indicate that bar shootings have gone down, and/or are less in "no bar" states.

Show us the high incidence of bar shootings in states that allow guns. Personally, I don't like bars and wouldn't cry if they all went out of business, but what I like even less is know-it-all campaigners who proclaim themselves to be obviously correct and support taking away other peoples freedom on the basis of their say-so, regardless of the rights of the other folks, and without showing a shred of evidence except for their high and mighty opinion. I don't even HAVE an opinion, so far I haven't sen an ounce of logic.

Just a lot of puffed chest parading about how smart we are and how dumb everyone else must be. Not very convincing.

Putting aside for the moment the "Right to bear arms" and thinking about this topic strictly from a personal viewpoint here are my thoughts. As a child I lived in a house with 3 alcoholics (a grandmother, a father and an aunt). There was constant bickering, fighting, screaming and cursing.

And had there been a handgun in the house, many of the incidents may have ended up with one or more people dead (perhaps even me or my little sister). When there are several people in a room who have consumed too much alcohol their logic goes right out the window. The pain that was inflicted on my mother and me during these drunken outbursts will never be forgotten and I again I shutter to think what the outcome might have been if guns had been involved.

When my mom remarried, we were subjected to a local private club where individuals drank to the point of stupidity. I saw more than a few bar room brawls but had this private club allowed the members to carry guns, many lives might have been ruined in the heat of a drunken argument. I personally believe that guns in the hands of unskilled, untrained professionals in any establishment where alcohol is served can be a disaster for the entire community rather than offer protection for any one business.

I would hope that our law enforcement would and government would work together to come up with a solution to assist in protection of business owners and citizens. However, we do not live in a perfect world. If the law is to allow individuals to keep guns on the business premises then stricter rules should apply for training the citizens/ business owners to exercise proper steps in using said weapons.

In my own opinion, this would be an accident waiting to happen. Maybe a tragedy. When a person gets a certain amount of alcohol in their system they do not think straight.

They sometimes get rude and upset with others for no apparent reason then they might just reach for their gun to fight with. Bad idea. Pinky8.

Its probably a bad idea! Talking technically, we're human beings who really don't have full control on his senses. And after the intake of alcohol it further minimizes.

When one drinks, it is medically proven, becomes careless and fearless of the conclusion. So loaded-guns would be a TIME-BOMB waitin' for 00:00.

I am for the arming of an individual with the necessary tools to defend, protect, and secure their business. This is in any condition of the term business. Obviously, some businesses are less likely to need it.

This aside, no person should feel inadequate in their ability to protect what they have built and paid for due to regulations prohibiting appropriate measures. I do, however, feel that strict codes of conduct should be instated because of the public environment. Additional permits for the firearms in a business setting requiring specific training and passing of appropriate courses based on the purpose would then be my suggestion.

I would even go so far as to have it put in writing that the owner of the firearm/business agrees to be held accountable for how the firearm is used regardless of who is using it. I understand the reluctance some states may have in allowing this in an environment with heavy drinking. A sound and thorough collection of rules would fix that.

I would say right at or perhaps just a notch about security officer training would work. As long as they are responsible, there should not be an issue. For certain I would require a gun lock and an approved place of storage.

I know it may seem like a lot to some, but then again, it is a loaded gun in a room full of drunks.

In Michigan, we have an open carry law. There are strict stipulations for carrying a firearm into a bar. If you are going to carry into a bar, you have to have the permission of the owneer ahead of URL1 many instances, a police officer will ask for records showing that the permission was given.

In most cases now, a bar owner will give a written approval to the person making the request so that there is something on file if there is some kind of issue. There was a puch a few years ago to make it so that a person could not carry a firearm into any facility that carried alcohol. This idea was shot down quickly.

It was also shot down to require the writte permission at restaurants that serve alcohol. This type of permission only has to be given at facilities that make a majority of their money from the sale of alcohol. Casinos are an exception as you still have to get permission from them to carry on their premisses.

The original intent of the Constitution granted the right to bear arms in the hope that those that had a firearm could use it to help, or (more importantly) use it in a local militia that would help the police or the military in case of an attack. The need has changed, and the interpretation has changed with it. There are many intersting aspects of the gun control debate.

This is one of my favorite argument analogies: A person becomes disgruntled at work and walks into his place of buiness and brandishes a gun. He shoots off six rounds, killing one person, and injuring two more. Another coworker pulls out his gun (which he has a permit for), and fires once that the suspect and kills him.

On one side of this debate, one could say that if the killer was not able to get a gun in the first place, the person that he shot and killed would still be alive. On the other hand, if the normal worker did not have the right to carry a gun, the psycho might have killed a lot more people.As a writer who focuses on a the horror movie industry, I have to pay close attention to fears. One of the most common fears is the fear of dieing The more impeding the chances of being killed are, the less likely someone is going to do something.

If a person has a strong reason to believe that a certain action will cause death, the rational side of the brain will speak up, and that person will usually be less likely to do something stupid. If a person were to know that a large number of people in the area might have guns, he or she might think twice about doing something that could cause death. Remember, the reason why a person goes into a building (like work or school) is usually to take down as many people as possible.

If there are a bunch of people that might start shooting back, the chances of taking out a bunch of people becomes lower (and so does the possible attractiveness). When it comes to guns in a bar, I am a strong supporter of extra provissions being taken. In my younger days, I spent a lot of time in bars, and ended up in more than my fair share of bar fights (I never started them, just tried to end them).

I would not wanted to have to have thought in the back of my mind that a person might pull a gun on me. I would have gotten my butt kicked more than once if I spent my split seconds worrying.

I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.