What metal is/was the Holy Grail made from? It doesn't matter if you assume the grail feast is of Christian, Pagan, or?

You may also answer in the context of the cup of Christ at the Last Supper --with or without -- the Joseph of Aremathia / Glastonbury elements.(Celtic Jewish c.f. Some have theorized one or more of the lost tribes became Celts and the Grail feast has Passover elements, though this is rather far fetched) Asked by Yellowdog 14 months ago Similar questions: metal Holy Grail made matter assume grail feast Christian Pagan Society > Religion & Spirituality.

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The Sangreal bloodline was Celtic royalty prior to being displaced by the Roman Empire. Mary Magdalene was Jewish. Yellowdog 14 months ago .

And I mean, you know, Palestinian, Holy Land Jewish, not the lost tribe theory about lost tribes and Celts, which is really out there. Yellowdog 14 months ago .

Apologies -- I said I didn't care what theory you go with. I owe you an apology. That theory does have some interesting play on words and is very old, rather interesting theory/interpretation Yellowdog 14 months ago .

It's one belief. However, as I believe Christianity to be bits and pieces borrowed from other, older religions, it maked perfect sense to me. Mary was Jesus's wife, and the mother of his children.

She was deleted from bibical history because it messed with the image that "they" wanted Jesus to have.

I'm just not convinced that Sangreal royalty which was displaced by the Roman Empire would have cared one way or the other if Jesus (and Mary Magdalen) was in their lineage. Rome might have tried to make this claim, it would seem (and of course didn't). The idea seems to be to try to say that one is descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalen, they have the right to rule.

But it was instead the Roman Empire via Catholicism who was claiming the divine right to rule the people Yellowdog 14 months ago .

Indiana Jones thinks it was made out of wood. Indy said it, I believe it, that settles it.

Wood 'nt've done well at the bottom of the well at Glastonbury, however. Those chalybeate waters once said to be blood but actually just iron. Anyhow, the grail wouldn't have survived.

Yellowdog 14 months ago .

Pottery, most likely, assuming it comes from the last supper. The mythology surrounding it came much later, of course.

There were metal and even glass drinking vessels in the first century, but it seems to me that sort of thing would have been a bit highfalutin for a humble wandering rabbi. He did have some wealthy friends and the dishes surely belonged to whomever's home they were in on that night. So, it could have been something fancy.

I wonder at people who spend more time with artifacts than the message of Christ. All can have the message. Few would bother with a cup - even if they ascribe great properties to it.

Toklkien wrote:"“ But fear no more! I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory.No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo.

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If Pam says wood - then look out for splinters.

I am personally convinced that the Grail started out as a Christian legend about the chalice at the Last Supper and not a Pagan legend, though some scholars disagree. As such, it is just another 'relic' with properties attributed to it with no basis in fact or historicity -- and probably not even a relic but a non existent thing or a symbolic tale. But the question remains -- what was it made of -- and nice connection to Tolkien Yellowdog 14 months ago .

This is the stuff that dreams are made of.." .

What TurboB said. She was pregnant with Jesus' unborn child (do you really think a Jewish rabbi would remain celebate at a time when the rule of thumb was "go forth and multiply? ") and made her way to Egypt - then supposedly France.

Strange thing about that - the Marovingean (spelled wrong I'm sure) appeared out of nowhere in France at just about the time that daughter would have been of marriage age. Draw what conclusions you will.

The Sangreal bloodline was Celtic royalty prior to being displaced by the Roman Empire. So what Turbo was talking about was this theory, not the Celtic theory.

You are right (And Turbo and Maximum) -- Sang Real is Holy Blood and San Greal is Holy Grail in Old French -- I thought they WERE the Celtic royalty whom the Roman Church / Empire displaced. Yellowdog 14 months ago .

The only ones who got that right was the goofy "Indiana Jones" movie. The cup used at the last supper belonged to John Mark's family (Mark 15:52 is John Mark running away after having run to warn Jesus when the soldiers showed up at their house looking for ) That house supplied the room + furnishings, including the cups the disciples drank out of. It'd have been the typical Jewish poor family table ware: the cup either wood or clay.

Oh, and after the supper, it stayed in the house with the family who owned it. The whole thing about being at the crucifixion is a crucial fiction to hermetic paganism.

Definitely not an object to be revered, just the covenant it initiated. You'll never get credit for it on this board, but your answer is probably the most helpful to one wanting to know the truth about the real vessel and the pagan suspicionology of the Grail legend. Yellowdog 14 months ago .

I thought it was understood that the last supper was a Passover feast in the story. Honestly with all those options it could have been a gourd. Who knows?

With all the wine in the bible, why are Baptists against drinking? Always wondered.

The Merovingian dynasty began around 450 CE which would make Jesus' daughter a long pregnancy. They were a rather barbarian lot, prone to murder and war. But I loved the book.

...There is no reference to the holy grail whatever from the time of Jesus until the height of the crusades, a period of more than a thousand years. In fact, the earliest references to the Holy Grail coincide with the Frankish kingdom of Jerusalem in its full glory, when the Templars were at the apex of their overt power, and when the non trinitarian Cathar heresy was gaining a momentum that actually threatened to displace the creed of Rome. Grail stores are for the most part, set in Merovingian times, but none were composed until after Godfroi de Bouillon, fictional scion of the Grail family and actual scion of the Merovingians, was installed, in everything but name, as King of Jerusalem.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward224.htmhttp://www.submityourarticle.com/articles/James-Holan-6141/Kin-Arthur-99887.php htm.

Thanks for the information. So much of this is bogged down in conspiracy theories, even from Christian publishers about the Merovingians and "the men who want to rule the world" that factual information is hard to come by, even on the internet. The only Christian groups that have any interest in the grail are some of those attempting to revive Celtic Christianity -- another topic which there is very little factual information on, and whose history reaches back far earlier than its actual establishment.

Yellowdog 13 months ago .

With respect. This is history - when I studied the Merovingian dynasty and the Cathar heresy etc. It wasn't based on any specific religious focus other than the role of the church in society; it purely as precursor to the development of the middle ages. The grail stuff was a separate non-historical English lit, and mythology focus.

An answer, actually. To all the "Where can I find a". To put a stop to it - here is the holy grail.

You can find all" "Is there a Holy Grail? If so, what is it? " "Why is the holy grail and rose put together." "Which political party in 2012 will garner the 'holy grail' of independent voters?

" "How do I get my hands on a Nintendo DS Lite? Golden Fleece? Holy Grail?

" "What do YOU think about the so-called Holy Grail? " "What is your definition of that secular Holy Grail, Civic Virtue? And why are you interested?

" "What do you think the Holy Grail really is?

An answer, actually. To all the "Where can I find a". To put a stop to it - here is the holy grail.

You can find all.

Why is the holy grail and rose put together.

If Pam says wood - then look out for splinters. Gary4books 60 months ago.

I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.