Public Sector Pension strike debate - should we look at it differently?

Rants like this are what will lose public sector workers any support they have, you need to be telling some of the facts about now, now moaning on about the 1980s and 90s. Some things are not coming across well enough, and to support your cause you should be explaining things such as the following. The pension schemes that operate in the Civil Service, Local Government and Teaching are not financially unviable, these pension funds are in profit, and will remain so for the foreseeable future, there is not a problem with public sector pensions.

The reality is that Cameron, bastard son of Thatcher, wants to cut those pensions so that he can put the money toward cutting the deficit, so you as public sector workers will end up paying twice, both as tax payers and as employees. It would be far better if he was to scrap plans to replace Trident nuclear missiles we cannot afford and pay that money toward the deficit instead of trying to squeeze money out of people who average earn less than the £16,000 pa national poverty threshold. The problem is that most people only think of high paid council officers when they think of public servants, they do not see that the vast majority of of council workers are the bin-men, the cleaners, the admin assistants and many others who have starting salaries of around £12,500pa, a figure other wise know as the minimum wage.

There are those of us out there that fully back council and othe public sector workers in giving the theiving little toad in number 10 a black eye or two, but please, if you want that support to grow do not rant on aboiut years ago, do not go into what you personally have had to do for a living, but stick to facts as to why your pensions do not have to be affected and why they are not the gilt edge wonders that Tory boy and his gang of (unelected) cut throats would like us to believe. SW11 Stop being such an Essex boy, public sector workers contribute to their pensions via the wages they are paid, oddly, the majority of them a paid lower wages than a lot of private sector workers in similar jobs, it is the other 'perks' such as the chance to have a reasonable pension that makes the job attractive. As for you thinking your council tax etc pays the pensions, it does not, the pensions are paid from the investment profits that accrue in the pension funds.

As for Brown taking away private sector pensions, if I remember rightly a lot of those pension funds were in severe financial crisis as the companies involved had failed to underwrite them properly, and those pension funds had to be bailed out by the government using everyones taxes, much the way the banks lost a lot of money failing to secure the investments they had made leading to the 'credit crunch' and our current fiscal difficulties.

We really do have to be grown up about this. The present system is unsustainable. There do have to be changes or the system will go bust.

None of us like changes that are imposed from above but nor do we like the militancy of the Union Barons whose incomes and pensions are unaffected by confrontation. Look at Arthur Scargill's £100,000 a year pension he still draws and the decimated former mining communities that are his God forsaken legacy Best wishes.

I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.