Should we shut down the public schools of NY City and Detroit?

NY Daily News, 4/1/2008:New York City has one of the nation's sorriest graduation rates 45% in 2004....In Detroit, the graduation rate was a shocking 25%...."It's an enormous waste of talent and time and resources," said Cary Goodman, whose Directions for Our Youth organization held a summit on the city's dropout crisis in February. FYI: NY City schools have a multi-BILLION dollar annual budget.Www.americaspromise.Org/uploadedFiles/AmericasPromiseAlliance/Dropout_Crisis/SWANSONCitiesInCrisis040108. Pdf Asked by MorePrudence&Wisdom 41 months ago Similar questions: shut public schools NY City Detroit Education & Reference.

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I'll give you a hint-- in New Orleans vouchers are being given out to a number of poor public school students. They will be able to attend private and catholic schools for free. This is very unfair to the families of private and catholic school children.

Many parents sacrifice alot to be able to send their children to private schools. It is a choice not an entitlement! Public schools are free for a reason.

They are for people who cant afford or don't care to sacrifice for their children's education. Keep the public schools-- just restructure.It isnt always the schools fault. Parents have to help their kids too!

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No, I don't see shutting down public education in NYC or Detroit as solving the education issues of those cities... I am no expert in education industry performance statistics. Depending how you get the data and how you manipulate the data, you can probably say just about anything. .

The study you cite is interesting. The data table is misleading though. It is a 2008 study using 2003-04 school year graduation rates.

I don't know about Detroit. But, that's a long time ago in NYC history. One of Mayor Bloomberg's legacies will be the busting up of the corrupt and ineffective education "machine" in the City.

He took that on heavily in his first term. This kind of reform takes time. It's not like a turnaround artist coming into a company, firing half the staff and rebuilding with good looking numbers in a few quarters.

This is more like planting olive trees and doing a lot more than hoping that when the plants bear fruit many years down the line they will be good fruit. . A study citing 2005 data reported a 58.2% graduation rate for NYC.

policystudies.com/studies/school/NCHS%20... . That's a big improvement from the 45% graduation rate you reported for 2004 and the 38.9% graduation rate reported for 2003. usatoday.com/news/education/2006-06-20-d... .

So, not to get defensive about what has to be one of the most important challenges for NYC, but, if we want to pick on NYC education, let's at least do so with accurate, up to date data. Sourcing the NY Daily News is about as reliable as sourcing a high school newspaper...I take that back...the high school newspaper is way more reliable. .

We should probably try to get 2007 and 2008 data; and we should make sure we are comparing apples to apples. . By the way, even in a happening city like Seattle, home to Askville and other leading lights of US culture, the graduation rate (2004) is only two-thirds.

Just as in NYC, I imagine the spectrum of education is vast. You clearly have a lot of folks who do not graduate from high school. And, then, you have some of the most highly educated people in the US--professionally and academically.

The discrepancies within the same community must make for a whole range of social issues. It is unclear sometimes which is the cause and which the effect. .

No, the answer is not to eliminate the budgets of these challenged institutions. The answer is to foster innovative, creative solutions tailored to the local communities and to hold the education administration accountable annually for performance. I don't think aggregate statistics like these are the most important metrics; but, graduation rates/dropout rates need serious attention.. I'm not sure there is a more important role than that of teacher of our children.

Yet, most teachers operate in a world that would resemble a developing country to many corporate executives. Compensation is too low and teacher quality is probably not managed proactively year to year. No, taking money away from education is definitely not the solution.

If anything, it is high time that education budgets were increased, perhaps with creative ways of sustaining funding year over year. Sources: see links above .

2 #1, saves the city billions of dollars, but will have a higher cost in the end because you (and millions of others) won't have doctors to take care of your ass when you end up in the hospital. Believe it or not, the children of today, will be the doctors and nurses of tomorrow. How you invest in children right now, will make a difference in the future.

#2, who are you to take away someones living? They earn their money just like you do, they just have more patience than most people. #3, what makes you think that teachers will want to change professions after spending time and money on becoming a teacher?

Their profession also makes them feel like they are giving back and making a difference. You really don't think a lot of teachers do you? #4, is kind of judgmental don't you think?

Just because you spend your time like this, doesn't mean that all adults do.

1, saves the city billions of dollars, but will have a higher cost in the end because you (and millions of others) won't have doctors to take care of your ass when you end up in the hospital. Believe it or not, the children of today, will be the doctors and nurses of tomorrow. How you invest in children right now, will make a difference in the future.

#2, who are you to take away someones living? They earn their money just like you do, they just have more patience than most people. #3, what makes you think that teachers will want to change professions after spending time and money on becoming a teacher?

Their profession also makes them feel like they are giving back and making a difference. You really don't think a lot of teachers do you? #4, is kind of judgmental don't you think?

Just because you spend your time like this, doesn't mean that all adults do.

MorePrudence&Wisdom replied to post #2: 3 #1 The fine graduates of the region surrounding NY City and Detroit will fill doctors and nurses vacancies. #2 I'm not taking anything away from anybody. #3 I think very highly of teachers because they helped guide me to act successfully in this complex, competitive, hostile, and imperfect society.

Also, two of my best friends are HS teachers who have been recognized by their peers as outstanding educators. #4 Kant talk now to bizey wif Nintendo an XBox Live an wachin BET an etc. LOL#5 Etc.

4 Closing the schools would be a real disservice to those who put in the effort to graduate. Something has to give these kids hope and a future. The system needs an overhaul, but not closure.

What is the history of assessment in public schools.

Are their any special needs children programs schools in any detroit public schools.

NY Daily News, 4/1/2008:New York City has one of the nation's sorriest graduation rates 45% in 2004....In Detroit, the graduation rate was a shocking 25%...."It's an enormous waste of talent and time and resources," said Cary Goodman, whose Directions for Our Youth organization held a summit on the city's dropout crisis in February. FYI: NY City schools have a multi-BILLION dollar annual budget.www.americaspromise.org/uploadedF... Asked by MorePrudence&Wisdom 45 months ago Similar Questions: shut public schools NY City Detroit Recent Questions About: shut public schools NY City Detroit Education & Reference.

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I'll give you a hint-- in New Orleans vouchers are being given out to a number of poor public school students. They will be able to attend private and catholic schools for free. This is very unfair to the families of private and catholic school children.

Many parents sacrifice alot to be able to send their children to private schools. It is a choice not an entitlement! Public schools are free for a reason.

They are for people who cant afford or don't care to sacrifice for their children's education. Keep the public schools-- just restructure. It isnt always the schools fault.

Parents have to help their kids too! .

No, I don't see shutting down public education in NYC or Detroit as solving the education issues of those cities... I am no expert in education industry performance statistics. Depending how you get the data and how you manipulate the data, you can probably say just about anything. .

The study you cite is interesting. The data table is misleading though. It is a 2008 study using 2003-04 school year graduation rates.

I don't know about Detroit. But, that's a long time ago in NYC history. One of Mayor Bloomberg's legacies will be the busting up of the corrupt and ineffective education "machine" in the City.

He took that on heavily in his first term. This kind of reform takes time. It's not like a turnaround artist coming into a company, firing half the staff and rebuilding with good looking numbers in a few quarters.

This is more like planting olive trees and doing a lot more than hoping that when the plants bear fruit many years down the line they will be good fruit. . A study citing 2005 data reported a 58.2% graduation rate for NYC.

policystudies.com/studies/school/NCHS%20... . That's a big improvement from the 45% graduation rate you reported for 2004 and the 38.9% graduation rate reported for 2003. http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-06-20-dropout-rates_x.htm#grad .

So, not to get defensive about what has to be one of the most important challenges for NYC, but, if we want to pick on NYC education, let's at least do so with accurate, up to date data. Sourcing the NY Daily News is about as reliable as sourcing a high school newspaper...I take that back...the high school newspaper is way more reliable. .

We should probably try to get 2007 and 2008 data; and we should make sure we are comparing apples to apples. . By the way, even in a happening city like Seattle, home to Askville and other leading lights of US culture, the graduation rate (2004) is only two-thirds.

Just as in NYC, I imagine the spectrum of education is vast. You clearly have a lot of folks who do not graduate from high school. And, then, you have some of the most highly educated people in the US--professionally and academically.

The discrepancies within the same community must make for a whole range of social issues. It is unclear sometimes which is the cause and which the effect. .

No, the answer is not to eliminate the budgets of these challenged institutions. The answer is to foster innovative, creative solutions tailored to the local communities and to hold the education administration accountable annually for performance. I don't think aggregate statistics like these are the most important metrics; but, graduation rates/dropout rates need serious attention.

. I'm not sure there is a more important role than that of teacher of our children. Yet, most teachers operate in a world that would resemble a developing country to many corporate executives.

Compensation is too low and teacher quality is probably not managed proactively year to year. No, taking money away from education is definitely not the solution. If anything, it is high time that education budgets were increased, perhaps with creative ways of sustaining funding year over year.

Sources: see links above .

1 The fine graduates of the region surrounding NY City and Detroit will fill doctors and nurses vacancies. #2 I'm not taking anything away from anybody. #3 I think very highly of teachers because they helped guide me to act successfully in this complex, competitive, hostile, and imperfect society.

Also, two of my best friends are HS teachers who have been recognized by their peers as outstanding educators. #4 Kant talk now to bizey wif Nintendo an XBox Live an wachin BET an etc. LOL#5 Etc.

Closing the schools would be a real disservice to those who put in the effort to graduate. Something has to give these kids hope and a future. The system needs an overhaul, but not closure.

How much money did NY State lottery distribute to public education for the 2010-2011 school year.

How many public schools are there in mexico.

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What do you think about public schools?( florida) I really care about my kid's education What do you think is the best.

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I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.