Show Quality Dog..? 9 week old German Shepherd pup.. HELP PLEASE..?!?

Yes, that is quite a good score. (7) Considering that the average combined hip score of the Gsd is around 13. My Gsd hip score is 2/8 (10) and he has never had a problem with his hips and is now 14+ years old.

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"Is hip score 4/3 good in German shepherds?" Why are you asking that HERE? A German shepherd is a German man or boy who looks after sheep.

A woman who does it is a shepherdess. But #1: the canine hip-scoring scheme is not used for human hips, and #2: this is the DOG section of Y!A. Assuming that you meant the breed of dogs I am dedicated to: The breed's real name (Deutsche Schäferhund) translates as German Shepherd Dog, which requires 3 words, each starting with a capital letter, and so the abbreviation is GSD.

How good the score of 7 is depends on where you live. In the UK the average is 13-to-18 In Australia it is 13-to-14. In NZ it is 11-to-12.

Under the BIF-scoring scheme developed by the Breed Improvement Foundation (a scheme later adopted by the BVA and then The KC, followed by the GSDCAustralia, the AKC, the NZVA), 9 aspects per hip are measured, then each measurement is converted to a score from 0 (perfect) to 6 (except for one aspect per hip, which is scored from 0 to 5). And so each hip can have a combined lateral score from 0 to 53. So lateral scores of 4:3 are usually considered pretty good.

Last time I checked, the GSDCAustralia was awarding a "Z"-stamp to GSDs that have a score no higher than 3 for any of the 18 aspects measured, PROVIDED that the total of scores on the worst hip is no higher than 8. The GSDCAustralia has persuaded the ANKC to refuse to register GSD litters UNLESS both parents have hip & elbow scores lower than a cut-off point. I can't be bothered checking the current ANKC hip limit, but it is about 50% worse than the GSDCAustralia accepts for Breed Survey Classification.

My current b? Tch http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=1325022 has lateral totals identical to your pet's. If you click on her "Bea's xray reports" gallery and enlarge the display as much as possible, you will be able to compare her aspect scores with your pet's aspect scores.

Unfortunately, a score of 4:3 can be interpreted from two very different perspectives: (1) It means that your pooch is unlikely to suffer HD during its first 10 years - which is fine for a pet-owner or someone whose GSD competes in Agility, Herding Trials, Obedience Tests, Working Trials. A genuine working GSD (such as one that patrols sheep all day every day, or patrols a military base all day every day) might become afflicted any time from about 8 years. (2) It means that BOTH of your pet's parents possess some of the alleles that cause hip-dysplasia, and that they BOTH passed the same 1 or 2 "bad" alleles to your pet (at present it is deemed that all the alleles involved in HD and ED are recessives.

A corollary is that every GSD "carries" some of the "bad" alleles for HD, but those recessive alleles have no effect on the CARRIER - they can't take effect until an individual inherits TWO copies of the same recessive). So hip & elbow status are important to breeders - but not the pooch's OWN hip scores! What counts is the WORST score produced across 20 or more litters (b?

Tches don't HAVE that many litters - but their sire probably does), as that proves that both parents possessed MANY of the same recessive alleles. If you are a breeder and a member of the GSDCAustralia, you can look in its web-site for the hip tables (and elbow tables) showing which ranges of scores the progeny of popular studs have fallen into. It was "murder" on breeders back in the 1960s and early '70s when hardly any pooches had official hip scores, and so we had to listen to rumours about "who" had a dysplastic pooch and therefore both its parents were high risks for HD.

The important things to remember is that tests based on "effects" cannot prove a pooch clear of the recessive genes for whichever disorder is of concern. Boffins are currently trying to identify the exact genes involved, and which of the alleles are "bad" - but there are at least a dozen candidates and possibly around 40, with no geneticist yet prepared to say "These are the genes involved, and we can now identify their "bad" alleles using a cheek-swab". But when we reach that happy situation, anyone who actually WANTS to be sure that none of his/her pups will develop HD will be able to pay to have their pooch DNA tested and then compare the DNA of each potential mate to unsure that the stud's "bad" alleles are not the same "bad "alleles as the dam carries.

Fortunately my Bea's genetic problem (she is a carrier for DM) now has a DNA test, so "all" I have to do is find studs that I LIKE and who have a DM-negative certificate. Followed by DNA testing every one of her pups to identify which are also carriers so must have an Endorsed Registration to ensure that they cannot have litters by carriers. But no xray-based test for HD - not BIF-scores, not the Australian "A"-stamps, not the FCI categories, not the German 'a'-stamps, not OFA, not PennHIP - can assure you that a litter won't have dysplastics.

They can merely indicate whether the risk is high or low. Add https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/The_GSD_Source/info to your browser, so that you can easily look up all sorts of information about dogs, especially GSDs. "Thanks to" Yahoo's /neo/-nut programmer, the settings have been changed from "Open" to "Restricted", so you'll need to apply to Join by sending an e-mail to the_gsd_source-subscribe @yahoogroups.com (WITHOUT the gap before the @) then following through.

To discuss GSDs, join some groups such as https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GSD_Friendly/info The people in them KNOW about GSDs. Plus you can include actual photos in your posts. To find other groups or breeds, type the breed-name into the top field of https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/dir then choose a couple of groups to Join.

Rua Pori - first pup in 1950; GSD breeder & trainer as of 1968.

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