To what extreme measures would you go through to prove a point?

Depends on how important the point is. When there is a "discussion" about an issue we need to stop, take a breath, and ask ourselves some questions about the importance of the matter and our motives. No matter what the point is, even if it is very important, we need to maintain a high road.

Honesty, self-control, a realization that the other person/people may not be able to understand the importance of getting the concepts right, an understanding that the issue may need to be revisited when they cool down, or even that they may never understand what they need to understand. No matter what, we don't want to degrade the issue by our behavior, especially if it is an important issue. Your question makes me think of listening to the other person.

Are they so rabid about their viewpoint that they could be dishonest? Are they defending themselves a little vehemently, indicating that they may feel guilty? It's good to assess what we are dealing with in a discussion before we take it too far.

Lying is prevalent, but not always easy to detect so it nearly always has to be a consideration if a point needs to be made through extreme measures.

I agree with what RTalloni said , , ,and can only add or support with the statement - it depends. If it is a work situation and the task has to be accomplished I can say something off the cuff like "If you don't like the work, leave" or I can ask "is there a better way to accomplish the goal? " In social settings one has to dance much more sometimes with playful dueling - parry - jab - parry, parry, thrust, jab and so-on.

Great hub Idea. Are you going to expand it further later?

Much depends on the subject and mindset of the person or audience I am addressing. One must be careful that they are not put in a spot in which they are attempting to prove a negative...an impossible feat but easily possible in terms of the situation. For example, if I ask a man if he was still beating his wife, and he answered "no", then we could assume that he has been beating her in the past which may not be true but without her testimony dang near impossible.

You must ask yourself "what is the value of proving the point? " Is it simply self-satisfaction? Are you simply trying to prove the point that you can prove the point?

One thing for sure, any time you are proving the point, be sure you select the actual point on which to focus...in other words, they always say you should truly identify the problem before you work on the solution...the same holds true for proving the point...strip it down to what it is and what it is not and gain agreement in those areas before you put any real energy into the process. If your audience is arguing for the sake of arguing and not really ready to receive any logic or proof...you time and energy is better spent on other projects. WB.

There is not really an extend of to where someone could go if they are really determined to prove that point. Considering they care about letting you know about it. It all depends how motivated and resourceful you are.

Sometimes, it's proven to be difficult to achieve your point. However, in most situations you can easily turn the tides of the conversation by making useful, clear, concise and positive comments. Also, by using powerful words and by upgrading the length of your vocabulary it's possible to create more commotion.

The facts must be however clearly established. Remain honest with yourself and others to ensure better understanding. Realize that the other person might not be open or willing to consider your offer without facts.

Years ago I would've gone as far as I needed to in order to make a point. However, life has taught me that it really doesn't matter. It's not my job to teach others lessons ...until I have children.

No extreme measure for me. I speak my truth. I know I cannot make other people listen to me or believe what I believe.

I can only be true to myself by sharing my beliefs, thoughts and feelings.

Depends on my passion of the subject matter or if I just "know" I'm right.

I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.