If I knew with 100% certainty that something is going to happen, how can the outcome possibly be different?

Bingo. Either God knows everything, and there is no free will, or he doesn't, which makes him not-god. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit, he would have been wasting his breath, because he already KNEW they would, for the reason I gave.It's the same as if I pushed you off a cliff and said "Do NOT hit the ground!

If you DO, that was YOUR CHOICE.

Shoot off some Fireworks and Fire-crackers.

The problem is that you are trapped in the time dimension, and God is not. He's the author of the dimension. Being outside the time dimension, He "already" knows the outcome of the event, but you, in time, have total freedom of making choices.

Edit: I do not see the connection between establishing that God exists outside of the time dimension and with your statement that He's impotent. Explain logically.

If not, naturally He is not limited to time.

Right. Although God is claimed to be both omniscient and omnipotent, this is not logically possible. To the contrary, such a being would have no power at all.

You can't but it still has to happen. God may know who is going to make it to the top of the mountain but we still have to climb the mountain. Get it?

Those who climb to the top of the mountain are called overcomers and they do it because of s nature which resides in them. Truth (Reality) will always be proven in any contest. The fragmented by time human mind has real problems trying to comprehend the Eternal.

If you knew that, you would be God, and thus you WOULD be able to change the event, if that was your will! However, let me give a little illustration for us lesser mortals who are Earth-bound. God has told us that it is 100% certain that all those whose names are not found in the Lamb's book of life will be cast into the eternally burning lake of sulphur, some time in the future.

But that can be changed. We can align ourselves with this Lamb (Jesus Christ) by putting faith in m and what He did to ensure we never end up in that lake of fire. You may choose to ridicule that opportunity, of course.

If so it is 100% certain what will happen to you, but you have until the point of your death to take that step of faith to bring about a different outcome.

I've never found this a compelling argument against theism; I wager it's never swayed the faith of any theist, ever, even if on an intellectual basis they concede the point. The fact that God knows with absolute certainty that I'm going to do something doesn't compromise *my* freewill, for I don't know any better. Let me restate: "If God knows with absolute certainly that I am going to use my freewill to do 'x', then I will with absolute certainty use my freewill to do 'x'."

Well, duh. Now, that may well be determinism, but if God's foreknowledge in no way impedes my own native thought process, nor does God use his foreknowledge to achieve some desired end, if he just lets things "play out", then I don't see the violation. And that's the point: from my non-omniscient perspective, I'm still making choices, whether God exists or not.

This *is* a great argument if applied to God only. God's certain foreknowledge of his *own* future time line means he's constricted to acting in accord with what what will be; God's free will certainly is compromised. But I rarely see this line of argument applied to God himself, it's almost always applied to human beings, and in that instance there is no way to differentiate the illusion of choice from the free exercise of choice, since the omniscient being isn't the subject being looked at.

This is like a question if someone were to travel back in time, which I personally believe is impossible because time moves forward. But if they wanted to change something which they knew would happen one theory is that something would result to prevent the individual from changing the past. Another theory is that if the individual does manage to change the past what happens is that a parallel timeline which would result in an alternate dimension.

God does exist outside of time.

I don't think anyone is going to like my Answer, but this what I think: Some Christians say "Outside of Time" which I don't like the sound of because it doesn't sound exactly right --- what I think they mean is that God can exist simultaneously within and without, at the beginning and at the end, and beyond the existence Time --- that is Time-Space-Matter to be exact, which is more accurate. BTW, the Trinity is the answer to your Question.

Humans will never be able to understand the workings out of God because they are not supposed to. But he did tell me that one minute of our time is one hundred years in his, plenty of time to rearrange anything he decides to do.

You cannot know anything with 100% certainty. Only God does. For you to claim you can excludes God and s working and intervention.

That is very foolish. Why do so many exclude the possibility of God's intervention? How very narrow and foolish.

But oh that God would speak, and open his lips against thee; And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is! Know therefore that God exacteth of thee less than thine iniquity deserveth. If you did know something was going to happen with 100% certainty, and if I knew what you knew thenhow is it necessary for me to cause that thing to happen?

Do you see your deficiency? If all are lost but God gives an opportunity to choose salvation, why is it not possible for m to intervene to enforce a positive choice? How then can He not know everything?

Or if you prefer, if God chooses all to be saved but allows some to blot themselves out of s salvation by their overriding, then how can He not know this? All will be judged perfectly according to their own works. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God. Do you still not see your woeful deficiency?

Do you despise the riches of s goodness and forbearance and longsuffering? How is it that any obtain an impenitent and hard heart? Does it occur suddenly without warning?

Do you really imagine that? Or does sin harden the heart? For certain sin takes away the understanding.Do you still not understand?

No it doesn't. Stop basing your beliefs about god on Christian doctrines. Read about Islamic doctrines and about it's belief in destiny and God.

You would find it far more sensical. Peace.

I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.

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