Where do we go after death? Do you believe in life after death or just the grave?

First of all, there is no ‘death’ but only a transmutation of the elements of your physical body. There is nothing dead in the universe, there is only change going on all the time and you can compare it to: ice, water, steam, ether - all exist in the One Substance. “We live and move and have our being in m” is a truer description than most realize for Life is a Divine state of being when all is said and done.

You might be interested in a few descriptions by MacDonald-Bayne in his book “The gher Power You Can Use” -quoted:The higher planes interpenetrate the lower, yet extend further beyond, so you see the plane known as the earth plane is the smallest and vibrates at the lowest rate, although made out of the same substance. You have within you the elements of all the planes, and as each state of consciousness is entered, you get a greater understanding of the universe. It is possible to go even beyond this planet as our consciousness expands.

Consciousness always recedes, yet we become personally conscious of more of the wonderful universe of God, which becomes external to our consciousness as we progress. This will explain how even the greatest find that consciousness always recedes while they gain more and more Love, Wisdom and Power through understanding. ...We migrate from the earth to the greater earth or ethereal planes - from the lower to the higher.

These are perhaps all invisible to you at present. The sun that you see is that portion of it that vibrates to the earth plane. You are conscious on this plane, the other planes are not visible to you yet.

The light that exists upon this earth does not exist upon the higher planes; there is a greater sun, a much more powerful sun with a greater radiance which extends beyond our sun. It tells you in the Bible that the sun does not shine by day nor the moon by night, but a sun that always shines. These vibrations are too high for you to see on the physical plane.

Light vibrations of the physical plane are from 450 trillion to 750 trillion vibrations per second, or 34 to 64 waves to the inch. Beyond these there exist vibrations into eternity which are invisible to us. ...If you could visit those planes consciously, you would comprehend the truth, that there is only one substance and that in these planes similar conditions exist, yet greater - becoming more perfect as your consciousness unfolds....As your consciousness expands to the higher planes, you know more, you understand more; you see this particular plane of material substance, which is the grossest and lowest manifestation of the consciousness, as a shadow - you can penetrate it, it is like a cloud of mist.It is no longer real to you now.

Your consciousness penetrates all the planes, but you are unaware of it, yet it is possible to become conscious of it. This is the progress of mankind. This is the difference between real knowing and intellectual knowing.

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Condense the philosophical thought of the quote into a meaning statement that makes sense to you. GoldenLion 14 months ago .

Well, you are made in God's image which is pure consciousness. There is no 'good versus bad', that is the intellect at work. The Master said, "Resist not evil" which means we should not give it a place for the only power it has is the power we give to it.As to 'resurrection', that is what the soul experiences when it leaves the physical form and understands its eternal existence.

Perhaps on a more practical basis you can read this site:near-death.com/newton.html .

You are talking very abstract. An Analogy would be helpful.It seems like your equating consciousness with bliss, a nexus of happiness. Therefore, a connecting to consciousness is a connection into bliss, no good or evil, just IS.

A place of energy and bliss. Did I understand your abstraction correctly? GoldenLion 14 months ago .

There is "First Cause" - which isn't produced from anything or anyone since that would mean a cause and effect. The intellect only deals with ideas and images in the mind and what is weighed and measured, but beyond that it cannot comprehend as there is no term of reference; hence we are warned "Thou shalt not have any graven images before me" for that is not God (Divine Presence), it'd be only your idea in the mind. The next step is to go forward with Intuition and unfold the inner nature.

There are countless words to describe the higher power, every cultures has their own set of phrases, but it isn't as important as gaining the realization itself. "Mind be still and know that 'I AM' God. " .

I see no basis for concluding the existence of an afterlife. Also, I see no purpose in wasting real estate for the purpose of establishing a permanent site for my decomposing carcass to remain. I intend for my body to be donated to science.

That seems to be the most practical thing that can be done with it.

You believe death ends at the grave. That is one opinion. Thanks GoldenLion 14 months ago .

I have no idea what "death ends at the grave" even means, so I can't agree that is what I believe.

I gave up on trying to understand you and hour ago.Sorry. GoldenLion 14 months ago .

No need to apologize. Knowing your limitations is a good thing.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Hebrews 9:27-28). If you're "in Jesus Christ," your look for m Who also looks for you at that end which we call "death. " It's not an end--it continues the choices we made during life.It's not an end, it's a continuation, only in a different form, on a different level, in a different "dimension.

" And, if you're outside of Jesus Christ, have nothing to do with m and don't want to have anything to do with then you face merely your judgment for having spent your entire life calling the Holy Spirit a liar. In that unfortunate case, your "life" here becomes mere existence in an eternity of solitude because you never chose a way in which any other company could put up with you.

We are going to be cremated. Not occupying any space. I'm counting on going on and meeting the family and pets.

I read that we go to a parallel world.......... will I have the recliner and TV? Probably not. I would like not to come back.

The way the world is, I had enough.

In China and Japan, the grave site are temporary, unless your family has alot of money. Cremation is the preferred way to bury the dead. GoldenLion 14 months ago .

In Brazil when you buy a lot eventually you can transfer the bones to a cheaper wall enclosure and resell your lot. My sister-in-law did that with her mother's grave and my grandmother was so upset because of disturbing that site.

Well, I believe in the grave because I have seen one. According to my research, the earliest evidence that prehistoric man buried his dead with implements, tools and weapons, for the females, flowers, was 90.000 years ago. There will most likely be discovered earlier sites but, so far, 90,000 is it.

This makes it the Middle Paleolithic era when evidence that man conceived of an after life. So, if you are comfortable taking such advice from...cave men...please do so. For my money, I will need evidence a bit more scientific in nature.

Your scenario sounds very much like the made-up description rewritten time and again bu the formal church. I suggest that the church is not the most reliable source of actual information.

I like church and find attending helpful. GoldenLion 14 months ago .

I agree that good fellowship can be found in churches. If I were ever to attend a church, again, it would be for the fellowship. So, attendance can be satisfying for some; they should attend.

I don't know anymore about what happens after we die, but that I think we can talk with people after they die. I don't know if we reincarnate until we realize Jesus is the Way to reconnect to God and then go to heaven. I do think we die after we learn the lessons we came here to learn.

Love is the greatest lesson that many don't finish learning and to love themselves/others/God. Who's will did you do? .

I like your sincerityI believe in resurrection because I believe in Christit is all about the love of God GoldenLion 14 months ago .

Earth is a place of opportunity, testing, and growth, from my belief. " Perhaps the reason why there is moral evil in our earthly existence is that it provides obstacles to overcome - obstacles that are necessary to the building of human souls. Death, sickness, suffering, starvation, the Pol Pots and Stalins are necessary experiences for our growth.

One should argue why God goes to such lengths to provide our growth . Presumably our earthly existence must include those terrible moral evils to achieve paradise after death. However there is at least one serious problem with this assumption: if the consequences of moral evil are the necessary price we must pay to achieve paradise than God is not good.

Do go there. God allows bad things to sometimes happen to good people. Don't ask why.

God is all knowing and wise and we don't have the authority to question him. Just accept it. Don't fight.

If this experience were without adversity than we would gain very little from our experiences. Ask yourself, what did I learned from my adversity, trials, and afflictions? How did God show compassion, mercy, and love to me while I suffered?

How well did I endure my trials? Did I learn patience and long-suffering? Did I learn more what Christ suffered for me?

How did my will conform to God's will during this time of affliction. Bring the question close to you and then you will see God is good. Satan teaches that God is evil.

Don't follow his teachings or doctrines. GoldenLion 14 months ago .

Replace "do go there" with "don't go there" GoldenLion 14 months ago .

I think you're trying to say that God always does the right stuff and allows bad things to happen because they are part of a whole which is always good. So evil in the world is necessary to achieve God's ultimate goals. But if adversity and afflictions are necessary to achieve God's goals, the same happens with floods, earthquakes, wars and genocides - what ultimate good did adversity make to the victims of genocidal programs like those perpetrated by the Nazis in Auschwitz or by the Muslim overlords in Darfur?

Take this as examples.

Gods ways are not our ways. He still is God and there is not other. I trust Gods wisdom.

Relax GoldenLion 14 months ago .

If God sometimes commits,causes or condones acts that are morallyimpermissible for the sake of an ultimate good that you don't know anything about, and you call that wisdom, then a rational discussion is impossible with you. If contradictions are allowed, then anything goes. Anyway, and as a way of saying goodbye, I give you a picture for you to relax.

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You believe death ends at the grave. That is one opinion. Thanks davepamn 60 months ago.

You believe death ends at the grave. That is one opinion. Thanks davepamn 64 months ago.

I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.