Lots of mixed beliefs on--When do U think the "Rapture" will occur (Pre-Trib vs. Post-Trib),etc.?

I totally believe in the Rapture and I m a pre trib guy all the way If people choose to NOT believe may they receive the desires of their heart.... IN the twinkling of an eye when He God the Father says it I'm outtttttttttttta here GBU.

I am a middle trib believer myself, that mainly comes from a belief that we deserve it. I believe in Gods ultimate justice, America is no exception to the rule of spiritual founding and protection. We lost our way long ago, now we sit mired in selfish want, wishing for the end to come soon.

Mathematically, I get lost in the translations of the North attacking Israel and then the seven years of peace. I am looking forward to your next hub on this subject. I just asked a version of this question a couple hours ago…funny.GB.

I believe "The Rapture must take place Pre-Tribulation. Jesus My Lord must gather up all of 1/3 of the world's population at that time, prior to the Great tribulation. Those 2/3 of the population who remain, will face the tribulation and at the end of seven years will be asked who they choose to accept and follow.

Those choosing to follow Christ will be spared the perishing in the lake of fire. Those who choose satan will perish in the lake of fire along with him.

Well not many will agree with me on this! I believe that Jesus meant EXACTLY what he said! KJV Matthew 26:; 64 Jesus is speaking personally to the priest the night before the crucifixion."never the less, I say unto you, hereafter shall YE SEE the son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds".

And in Matthew 24 It is clearly stated that Jesus is speaking in a PRIVATE conversation with Peter James, John and AndrewTelling these four of things that are going to happen to them; 24:9 Then shall they deliver YOU up to be afflicted.24:15 When YOU shall see the abomination ...24:25 Behold I have told YOU before Jesus tells these four disciples of many things that THEY will have to endure In Matt. 24:31 Jesus speaks of the Rapture and almost immediately tells them that ...24:34 Verily I say unto YOU THIS generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled.(am paraphrasing here) no one knows what day or hour, but it will happen before this generation passes. When reading Matthew 23 and 24 imagine that Jesus is saying these things to YOU and three of your buddies.

What would you think that he was talking about? Would you think that Jesus was talking about someone that won't be born for another 2000 years? The whole earth = All of Israel, the wilderness.

= outside the borders of israelMoses and all the people were in the wilderness for 40 years.

Great manufacturers like GE, Toyota, Ford, GM and many others will consider that 3% or higher failure rate in their manufacturing processes a serious problem. They will have engineers and production crew working hard to improve or fix their processes until they achieve a success rate above 97%. Many have achieved 99%.

One of the biggest non-material failure is to loose your dearly loved ones. I would be devastated if I lost one of my children. Now from what most of you are saying that God the perfect, almighty and all knowing is going to have only a 33% success rate.

That is devastating when he is not just making material losses, but he is losing his dearly beloved children. To make this worse he is still continues making mankind with imperfections. If this is the case, he should give up his creation process and get advice from engineers working for these corporations.

God must be lunatic to continue after such failures, because he never seemed to have learned his "painful lessons"However, I see God far more powerful, perfect and know exactly what he is doing. He is filled with Love, Joy and Truth at every moment. He is in Control.

When the dust settles mankind will realize that s saving power is 100% effective. Jesus hinted this in the parable of the lost sheep. This Good news of God's Love and Power is far too grand for most of you to realize, and will probably be discarded like the messages of those prophets in the old days.

Pre-Trib. All things that I study lead me to believe in a pre-trib rapture. I hope that I am right.

Despite the controversy I believe that the Rapture will occur in 2012 although most unlikely on the publicized date of Dec. 21 because as the Bible states,no one will know the exact DAY or HOUR of the Rapture. Because of the close proximity,it doesn't make much difference if the first half of the Tribulation,which will be relatively benign in nature,begins before the Rapture. For the record however,the Bible does state that the Anti-christ will come into power before the Rapture occurs.

So why don't we come up with a new belief group,"Shortly After The Tribulation Starts Rapture"! What is important is not so much the timing but that WE GET OUT OF HERE!

I cant really gove you an answer,but what I can give you is a way to a solution, that is you have to find the anglde that you relate to or peaks your interest. A good paper is one that people get drawn into because it reaches them ln some way.As for me WW11 to me, I think of the holocaust and the effect it had on the survivors, their families and those who stood by and did nothing until it was too late.